[dancer-users] Using Dancer2 as a website framework

[sawyer x]

I've seen (and worked at) many companies that have PHP for the frontend.
They usually end up stuck with disgusting code that is very difficult to
play with since the language is deficient (that's me avoiding uses curses)
and the developers are usually not the best (which is what PHP usually
offers). As you put it, it's hard to switch. That's true.

That's why I'm saying you shouldn't go with the gut feeling of "there's a
lot of PHP devs out there, then working with it means I'll always be able
to hire", because that leads you to "omg we're stuck with shitty PHP and
shitty developers and now it's too hard to switch". Seen it too many times.

That's similar to people saying you can't find Perl developers. That's not
true. Perl developers exist, and they simply have no trouble finding a job
(a *good* job) and so they're less visible on the market. They usually
already have a job. :)

Gut feelings are not always true.



On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 1:37 AM, Celogeek San <me at celogeek.com> wrote:

> Well, I don't love php anymore, even if i have start with it, and do i
> hope good job on builder home made extranet,
>
> We use php for our frontend, and it is a company decision, so now we got
> big product, it is hard to switch.
>
> But I love building web site with Perl, and it is hard to apply it to a
> company. at least in my case.
>
>
> 2013/9/8 sawyer x <xsawyerx at gmail.com>
>
>> I've seen a company with 2 web developers in Ruby doing a hell of a lot
>> more than 40 developers in PHP in another team.
>>
>> "Finding one" isn't in and of itself a quality or something to consider.
>> You're probably better off having someone who knows programming
>> (Ruby/Perl/Python) move to web, rather than getting a PHP programmer.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 1:17 AM, Celogeek San <me at celogeek.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Of course. But at least you can find some. It is not obvious to find a
>>> good web perl developer. I can see that in my company.
>>> Le 7 sept. 2013 23:24, "sawyer x" <xsawyerx at gmail.com> a écrit :
>>>
>>>>  On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 5:44 PM, Celogeek San <me at celogeek.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Use other language for the frontend may have some advantage. The first
>>>>> I see, is that you can have more developer available in other language to
>>>>> maintain the frontend.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's easier to find PHP Zend developer than Perl Web developer. Also
>>>>> true for python.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There is a major problem with that approach. The reason it's easier to
>>>> find a PHP developer is because the language is cheap. It's really easy to
>>>> learn, and tons of people learn it to get a job. The PHP knowledge pool is
>>>> very shallow though. That means almost PHP developers are very shitty
>>>> developers that stopped learning because PHP doesn't really have a very
>>>> proficient level to it.
>>>>
>>>> So companies that figure "hey, there are more PHP developers than
>>>> Perl/Python/Ruby - I'll get programmers in those!" end up with really
>>>> really horribly shitty code that it's impossible for them to actually get
>>>> beyond of. I've worked at a lot of these companies. It's horrible. Really
>>>> horrible.
>>>>
>>>> Don't be duped by number of developers overall. Think about "available
>>>> developers", "developer knowledge and expertise" and "ability to provide a
>>>> good product". Who gives a shit if there are less developers if I can still
>>>> find enough?
>>>>
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